They both turned out to be Pammene ignorata , a male and a female and a new moth for VC37 Worcestershire.
Pammene ignorata - female (Image Patrick Clement)
Pammene ignorata - Male (Image Patrick Clement)
Thanks to Patrick for not only doing a great job on the gen det but also getting some great images of the moth (far superior to anything I could have done). You can find the gen pictures on the Moth dissection web site)